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The Greater Jihad September 15, 2007

Posted by Rasheed Eldin in Islam, Queer Muslims, Responses.
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It’s Ramadan again. Last year promoters of a film called “In the Name of Allah” invited people to a cocktail iftar at a San Fran club to raise funds. I only hope they didn’t use hadiths about the Prophet (peace be upon him) being more generous in Ramadan to further their filthy agenda.

Now the film has been released, under a different title: “A Jihad for Love”.Parvez Sharma, director
SubhanAllah, I don’t know which title is more crass!

I pointed out previously how the pre-release publicity was keen to promote the notion of a Queer Muslim Reformation [my wording], and the stupidity has only been amplified in the latest publicity available on the official website and the director’s blog:

Looking beyond a hostile and war-torn present, this film seeks to reclaim the Islamic concept of a greater Jihad, which can mean ‘an inner struggle’ or ‘to strive in the path of God’. In doing so the film and its remarkable subjects move beyond the narrow concept of ‘Jihad’ as holy war.

Hold on, hold on. Are you trying to address people’s misconceptions of Jihad as “holy war”, or are you trying to convince us that homosexuality can sit comfortably in Islamic practice? Pick one polemic! This is just a bizarre cocktail, as well as being deeply offensive to the meaning of Jihad.

Yes, Jihad does refer to a person’s inner struggle, as well as all forms of righteous struggle including those types in which physical combat becomes necessitated. Among the defining factors in something being described as “jihad” are that it be for just cause, and that the methods employed are sanctioned by the Islamic sources, i.e. the Qur’an and the Sunnah.

So given that we already affirm how blatantly misguided those who kill innocent people are in describing what they do as “jihad”, what can we say about these fools who use the term for engaging in, and campaigning for, homosexuality! Working for sin can never, never be called “jihad” – we seek refuge in Allah from this calumny.

It’s popular to distinguish between the “Greater Jihad” and “Lesser Jihad”, based on a saying attributed to the Prophet (pbuh). The authenticity of this is disputed, but regardless, it’s true that while some people face certain types of struggle, every individual has to fight against his/her base desires. Mankind must struggle against Satan, who is “a clear enemy”, “the slinking whisperer”.

So what do we say to those affected by same-sex attractions, those who consider themselves “gay”?

Your Jihad is to resist your urges to do things that Allah Most High has prohibited.
Your Jihad is to stay patient through these temptations.
Your Jihad is to overcome these unwanted desires.
Your Jihad is to please Allah every day and draw closer to Him.
Your Jihad is to turn to Him, trust in Him and ask His help in life.

This is the Jihad of every Muslim, and part of our Jihad at this blog is to refute those who try to pervert our religion.

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1. Tim Wheatley - September 15, 2007

As a non-Muslim, I think I understand his use of the word Jihad.

There is an anti-Muslim feeling in some places, I would be surprised if he was talking to many Muslims in that room and I would be further surprised if many Muslims who were there, were ‘straight’.

His use of the Jihad word, is to speak to non-Muslims. Jihad is a ‘power word’ that we take (these days) to mean ‘attack’.

Although I can understand why you do not consider gay practice to be worthy of God, why you do not want this taint or ‘perversion’ to become your religion, I do think Islam needs to adapt a little to modern society. The rules and regulations written in the Quran were written long-ago, long before many things we have and do today existed. As an example I just wrote a blog post about the Muhammed cartoons. While I can understand the anger, I think that cartoons, satire, etc did not exist when the Quran was written and that cartoonist is only guilty of ignorance. He does not deserve to be killed for what he did. As I said in my blog post, he didn’t really draw that cartoon, Al Qaeda did. Islam must try to adapt to modern society… Whether that includes gays… I don’t know though.

2. Rasheed Eldin - September 15, 2007

Thanks for your comments, Tim. Actually the quote is not from a speech by the director, but comes from the film’s homepage, i.e. core publicity. So they address this message to everyone who’ll see the film, and I’ve pointed out how they’re seeking to make Islam change, whatever that means. What they’re doing is not Jihad, it’s fasaad (corruption).

In a brief response to your latter point, I would just underline that while we may disagree with the actions or opinions of any number of Muslims, that does not necessarily mean that Islam needs to adapt! I wonder what this even means. When you understand what Islam is (and what the Qur’an is, i.e. something not just “written long ago” – written by whom exactly?), then you see that such talk misses the mark.

3. Tim Wheatley - September 15, 2007

Thanks for the response Rasheed.

I’ve really noticed myself feeling wrongly about Islam. I’m not a religious man and have never been anti-religion until the media started with it’s aggressive campaign against it back in 2001 (after the 9/11 attacks).

It concerns me that my views have changed and that I feel negatively towards an entire religious group of people based on the actions of the few… I am trying to expand my mind, learn about Islam and properly accept it. I guess there are countless people in ‘the west’ who are going through the same things as me… Some will accept the change (and probably join the army to go to Iraq…), some won’t even notice the change and some will learn from it… I hope to do that.

I’ll continue to read and learn. 🙂

4. braavooo!! - September 15, 2007

The word is not used accurately in the usually narrow contexts and pedantic definitions that our scholars like to suffocate our thoughts with. Restriction on the use of the word jihad in a non-so, so or so context just misses the point that, at least in the english language, the use of rhetoric to deliver an emotive effect is an established tool of everyday conversation. We are not robots or CPUs that communicate in dry linear statements structured only on unyielding logic.

The use of the word may or may not be accurate but then the speech was not intended to be a scientific textual analysis of the concepts of jihad in the sixth century! If anyone wishes to establish a struggle against gratituous discrimination against fellow human beings and set an example by using a noble word like ‘jihad’ then you’d expect them to be encouraged and admired.

But of course, under the moral derangement that drives our fervent obsession with preserving some of the cruel practises of our ancestors (whom we’ve come to admire for reasons other than gay-murder) we are totally deaf to the simple suggestion that the mercy of God could extend to those whose only crime is that their sexual preferrence does not accord with that of the majority.

5. Rasheed Eldin - September 16, 2007

TIM: I wish you the best in your quest of knowledge. If we can be of any assistance, please do let us know. One website we have found useful is Reading Islam, which was formed as an offshoot of Islam Online.

BRAVO: As I already said, that was not a speech, but their core publicity (homepage blurb). Allow me to boil my post down do its core point. The real greater Jihad for a “gay” person is to struggle against his desires, not to struggle for so-called “acceptance”.

6. Brravooo!! - September 16, 2007

To rephrase your conclusions:

The real greater jihad for a gay person is to somehow struggle against their nature, not to demand that the community stops discriminating against them.

That is a tall order and I really wish you could sense the injustice and wickidness that drives that attitude. No one with an iota of self respect would voluntarily subjugate to the cruel whims of those who will not restrain themselves from finding ways to denigrate their very own nature that defines them as individuals.

This uncompromising and one sided order reflects the community’s lack of awareness of the plight of homosexuals and a complete misunderstanding of the nature of this condition. It’s probably a waste of time to chase acceptance from an uninformed and backwardly majority. Bring on the progressives! It’s about time this house heard a voice of reason.

7. Tim Wheatley - September 16, 2007

Blogs seem to be a much more educational way to find news than anything else I have ever used. I probably just need to read more and comment less. 😉

8. Taleb Haqq - September 16, 2007

Brravooo: The incorrect word in your statement is “nature”…where did you get this from? If by progressives you mean those that take “part of the book and leave other parts” then you are calling for something unislamic. If by progressives you mean people who are moderate in their understanding and embrace new ideas so long as they are within God’s laws then we are in agreement.

9. SQ - September 17, 2007

As-salaam walaikum, brother Rasheed. First of all, let me say Ramadan Mubarak to you. I just had a small suggestion about your posts, and I hope you will take it with an open heart.

I read this post, and noticed that you used a lot of words such as “filthy”, “stupidity”, etc., and was just going to ask if you could not use such words against that gay Muslim group. Regardless of their sexual orientation they are still our brothers and sisters in faith, and we should treat them with compassion, love, openness, and respect, even when they are in error. Let them have “cocktail iftars”, if they choose – ultimately, the path they take is theirs, not yours nor mine. I think you should get in touch with this gay-Muslim group and tell them your feelings yourself, instead of insulting their cause on this blog. We’re Muslims, and we were meant to be united, even when one of us sins and falls, we have to be there for the others. At least, that is the Islam I was taught, the Islam of love and mercy, not one of admonishment and criticism.

I know what I have just written out may be silly to you, and it most likely is. I’m relatively new to Islam, so I won’t pretend that I know everything, because I don’t. But I feel that, if you are still kind and courteous to them, you will gain their respect and attention, regardless of your message.

10. Rasheed Eldin - September 17, 2007

BRAVO: Rephrasing can be helpful, but more often that not, it’s abused by those who try to force their paradigm on others. In this case, I certainly don’t accept your wording, as we here are trying to develop, explain and promote a paradigm (framework, terminology) that deals with reality and is consistent with Islamic thought. I don’t know how much of our writings you have read, and how much you have tried to understand and engage with.

I do not accept that same-sex attractions – even if we were to consider these “natural” in some sense – are inherently bound to identity, such as in the notion of “orientations”. I find this an unacceptable concept, when looked at from the Islamic scriptural perspective. If it were something scientifically indisputable, that would be something – but that’s not the case. Rather, “orientations” are just a manner of speaking, which I don’t accept.

Then you use the word “discriminating” – again, how loaded! One could perhaps allege that Almighty God discriminates against some people by giving them their tests in life: such as disabilities, or such as sexual confusion. One could go further and say that He (exalted is He above such nonsense) “discriminates” against people who want to steal whatever they feel like, or have sex outside marriage!

We need to be able to analyse concepts beyond our own favourite buzzwords.

We say: since any sexual activity outside marriage (between a woman and her husband) is prohibited in Islam, any desire to commit such a sexual act is something to be resisted and overcome. This is the way to please Allah, and through this Great Jihad, His pleasure and reward will be earned.

No discrimination there.

11. Rasheed Eldin - September 17, 2007

Dear SQ, wa alaikum as salam.

Your advice is not silly at all, and I thank you for it. You are certainly correct to point out that Islam is the way of love and mercy, and that this should inform how we do da’wah. Indeed, Allah (swt) instructed His Prophet Musa (pbuh) to “say a gentle word” to the Pharaoh!

At the same time, I’d like you to understand the nature of specific posts like this, which are not about attacking sincere people who wish good in life. Rather, it is about those who are leading efforts to mislead people, and make corruption in the Deen. People like me know from experience that they will not listen to gentle words, nor will they heed anything out of line with their wicked desires.

I do hope that by seeing a post like this, people like Sharma might repent. But that is not the primary aim. Rather, it is to make sincere people aware of just how far astray those sin-leaders’ message is.

That being said, I would just point out to you that my language is (I hope and pray) not out of line. I haven’t called anyone here “filthy” or “stupid” or “perverted”. Instead, I said that the agenda of promoting homosexuality is filty. I said that the notion of reforming Islam is stupid. And I said that claiming Islam allows homosexuality is perversion.

May Allah reward you, and please remember us in your prayers.

12. Brravooo! - September 17, 2007

Taleb Haqq:

“The incorrect word in your statement is “nature”…where did you get this from?”

You’ve proven my point, the majority of the muslim community lack any understanding of homosexuality and can’t even begin to tackle the issue. Is it nature? Is it acquired? I’ll engage with the rest of your comment when you’ve figured that out.

Rasheed:

Let’s not talk about God’s discrimination, I’m talking about you and I’m trying to appeal to your conscience.

You need to twist your common sense quite a bit to successfully delude yourself that you’re doing something noble by promoting the denigration of fellow beings. If they could help it then they should know better not to annoy society with their perversions but your common sense will tell you that no sane person would aspire to become a homosexual and live a life of misery and shame especially in a community that has presribed the death sentence for such acts in the most monstrous manner.

Anyhow I like the way you clearly state your case: if it’s not compatible with Islamic doctrine, it must be wrong. It follows that it is absolutely irrelevant what homosexuality is and whether it’s reasonable to prohibit it or not. Whether it is a crime or not it doesn’t matte we’re still going to call it a sin. That is just intolerable. The use of religious authority to eliminate people whose only crime is that they’re born a bit different. That is vile and unworthy of respect. I wonder why it appeals so well to you.

Is it fear of death and the possible outcome that awaits you if you don’t promote what you’re told to promote? To gain reward even if it means you’d stamp on the fates of fellow beings by making their lives miserable. How cowardly.

You can have it your way but know that there are people out there who look down on such an attitude with contempt.

13. Rasheed Eldin - September 17, 2007

BRAVO, it rather seems as if you’re just unwilling to look beyond your framework of understanding to appreciate someone else’s. I understand very well what you mean by discrimination, but I’m pointing out that since I’m not the One Who created the people in question, nor am I the One Who legislated what is right and wrong sexually or otherwise, I can hardly be accused of being their oppressor! And Allah oppresses nobody.

You say we promote “denigration of fellow beings”. Again, just buzzwords. I’ll respond by saying that we are actually promoting the elevation of these beings by teaching them how to attain success in this life and the hereafter. After all, our religion teaches us that we are elevated by our submission to the One God, as opposed to being slaves to creation, or our desires.

Bravo, one thing I truly hate is people putting words in my mouth. I have never talked of people “aspiring to become homosexuals”. What we are talking about is how a person who is in the position of feeling homosexual (however that comes about) should deal with it and live his/her life. Are you suggesting that the road of seeking “acceptance” is nothing to do with desire, and has nothing attractive in it for the person, only misery? Perhaps for some people, their sexual desire takes precedence over their desire not to experience the negative effects of “coming out”.

“If it’s not compatible with Islamic doctrine, it must be wrong.”
These are your words, but I ask you this: is there a way to be a Muslim and deny this?

But what hope to have a rational discussion with you, when you follow that up with talk of “the use of religious authority to eliminate people”. ELIMINATE PEOPLE?? Come on, talk about exaggeration. I am saying that a man having sex with another man is an abomination in the sight of God. How have I eliminated him? If he doesn’t go and have anal sex, will he cease to exist? For goodness’ sake stick to the point.

14. Brravooo! - September 18, 2007

I’m worried that prescribing the death sentence to execute people is not automatically perceived by yourself as the same as eliminating them!!! Is that an exaggeration? NO.

You wrote:
“we are actually promoting the elevation of these beings by teaching them how to attain success in this life and the hereafter”

Elevate these beings? The trick here is to convince people that homosexual acts are lowly. The logic behind that claim is non existent. Can you look around and see a cause and effect link between homosexuality and failure in this life? If you do you can worry about teaching those failed men and women how to succeed in life.

You also wrote

“If it’s not compatible with Islamic doctrine, it must be wrong.”
These are your words, but I ask you this: is there a way to be a Muslim and deny this?

People do this all the time:

Islamic doctrine is a heterogenous and contradicting mixture of half proven traditions, contested rulings and competing interpretations of the scriptures. You can be a musilm and deny that Islam prohibits the killing of homosexuals and you can be a muslim and support that view. There would be no indication whatsoever that either view is superior to the other and that applies to a multitude of other situations. There is little solid ground to build a methodology on and pracitcally speaking people do a lot of picking and choosing to get by without falling sick with confusion.

Your last point about anal sex need clarifying: neither all homosexual acts involve anal sex nor all acts of anal sex are performed by homosexuals.

15. Brravooo! - September 18, 2007

“…..What we are talking about is how a person who is in the position of feeling homosexual (however that comes about) should deal with it and live his/her life….”

I tell you how: just leave them alone and stop this madness of picking on homosexual people.

16. Brravooo! - September 18, 2007

“Are you suggesting that the road of seeking “acceptance” is nothing to do with desire…”

Of course it does. But this is not the desire for fast cars or designer clothes. The sexual instinct is a universal and integral part of each of us. It is the desire for normality and equality. The desire for those who don’t know what they’re talking about to refrain from making our lives miserable for the sake of their personal convictions.

Equality and freedom of choice is something that heterosexuals take for granted but some of them just can’t seem to keep themselves from denying those privileges to others who happen to be slightly different from themselves.

One side wants to ‘elevate’ homosexuals above, I don’t know what exactly, and the other side wants to raise the consciousness of the self proclaimed learned and enlightened religious agentst that labelling homosexuality as a sin is completely pointless. So far the ‘fag enablers’ have won the battle in countries where reason and civilised discourse is allowed to flourish. Our backwardly communities continue to applaud themselves for sinking into their medieval profanities. I wish this would stop sooner than later.

17. Taleb Haqq - September 18, 2007

I have proven your point? What point? Are you trying to say that homosexuality is something that is natural and that people are born with? Prove this if this is your point.

18. Brravooo! - September 18, 2007

Last word

You criticize me for refusing to consider alternative frameworks of understanding and I repeat my plea: what is attractive about your method of reasoning?

First: at the core is a shallow claim: God wants it so. That is a deal breaker, a dead end and an appeal to modesty that disguises as a polite but shrewed way to refuse any further analysis of the matter at hand.

Second: your approach vicitmizes people unnecessarily while mine seeks to emancipate humans from the irrational cruelties of their brethren. Again I ask you: what do you think your reasoning would appeal to anyone with a clear conscience?

19. Rasheed Eldin - September 18, 2007

I think you’ve made your points, and I’ve made mine. I’m not going to get into endless argumentation (by which I mean that which does not progress), especially in this month of all months.

Our tasks here are quite specific, and do not include trying to convince secular humanists against homosexuality, or to dance around pointlessly with people whose picture of religious doctrine is one of self-defeating relativism.

To end with another catchphrase: our approach says that anyone can be a Companion of Paradise, while yours seeks to give people vain hopes then send them to Hell.

Peace.

20. Brravooo! - September 18, 2007

Didn’t hope it would end that abruptly but since you’ve allowed yourself last words let me have a go at it too.

If reason and common sense leads to hell and wishfull thinking and irrational muddled thought lead to paradise then so be it. I hope one day you’d come to realise that the fear of hell is one miserable reason to lead a life and that the concept of torturing the dead is excessive wickidness. Will we ever grow out of that primitive mould?

It is no use to smash all your worldly idols and substitute that for worshipping death. Worshipping fear of not getting into paradise. If paradise is to contain people that are comfortable with vilifying me for being what I am and always been then I really have no choice in refusing that company. No choice really. Not unless I play two faced just to get to heaven. What a good fruit of religion that would be.

Taleb: I’ve already responded to that in another coloumn. Can you prove you have migraine? Can you prove you have nausea/colic/sadness/anxiety/love beyond a doubt? You can act as if you have these but don’t talk about proving it because that’s absurd.

21. Brravooo! - September 19, 2007

Good, I’m glad the posts haven’t been updated yet so I can catch you with a couple of things I didn’t like about entry 19:

1. “….yours seeks to give people vain hopes then send them to Hell….”

I haven’t made any promises at any point. That was an irrelevant comment. It is the belief in the supernatural and an afterlife that entails all sorts of promises.

2. “..self defeating relativism…”

You mean the changing zeitgeist? Well you’ll find that social and behavioural standards have always changed even within the history of monotheism. From the story of Adam when prostration to creatures was acceptable and the first families were allowed to multiply by in-breeding. Other examples include mulit-polygamy (Dawuud, early Meccan period) and the gradual phaing out of slave concubines.

The standards have evolved like almost any other material or immaterial phoenomenon.

22. Parvez Sharma - September 30, 2007

Dear Brother Rashid
Assalamualaikum.
I invite you to see the film before you rush to anger, opinion and judgement.
The best way to engage with a work such as this, is to experience it yourself.
Let me know when I can meet you and invite you to a screening personally.
In the meantime you and your readers are welcome to read my posts on http://www.ajihadforlove.blogspot.com
May Allah (swt) contine to bless us all in this month of Ramadan.
Salams
Parvez

23. Rasheed Eldin - September 30, 2007

Wa ‘alaikum salam. I wouldn’t mind seeing the film, but I reject your notion that I would need to do so before having opinions about the project. What I’m referring to are your stated aims and claims.

I wonder if you’ll buck the trend of “queer Muslim” activists by actually subjecting your liberation rhetoric to Islamic critique. I for one am ready to discuss any matters with you, but seeing your film is hardly going to be something to change my understanding of Islam.

24. brravooo! - October 2, 2007

Out of interest, how do you know it won’t? Are you admitting prejudice or are you boasting about being ‘shut-minded’ ?

The film’s theme, as advertised by Parvez, is about the suffering of homosexuals in conservative cultures. Are you worried that it may appeal to whatever is left of your humane instincts or your rational faculties? Don’t worry. Your writings indicated that you’ve crossed the point of no return where dogma completely obfuscates the moral senses and erodes the human tendency to judge things in the light of reason.

25. Rasheed Eldin - October 3, 2007

No, I’m not boasting about being ‘shut-minded’. Some people might accuse me of such a thing, but if you would actually see the other side of what I write here, I think a fair person would have to admit that I’m no such thing.

My point was merely this: the film is hardly likely to be a magic wand that will dramatically shift my understanding of Islam. Any such shift should surely be possible by presenting the relevant arguments and information in writing. I have been keenly reading the “queer Muslim” propaganda for years and have not been convinced. I don’t just write it off, but analyse and refute it here. So what’s going to be so special about this film?

I am also pointing out the weakness of trying to shut me up because I haven’t seen the film. Not having seen it certainly disqualifies me from commenting on the contents. But it needn’t stop me from commenting on the publicity, which has been circulating for ages. And I know what I’m talking about in the subject: if you disagree, you can engage in the debate rather than trying to silence me. Demonstrate that your facts and arguments are stronger.

Speaking of closed-mindedness, how do you feel about having a word with Sharma, whose site and blog I linked to in my original post, and which he’s linked to in his comment left here? Interesting that he’s not bothered to reciprocate with a link.

26. Rasheed Eldin - October 18, 2007

Still no link, but he translates and pastes hateful comments so that his readers don’t get to know that there are more thoughtful critiques of his agenda out there.

Makes me wonder what The Muslim Dialogue Project can possibly be about, and what it could achieve.

27. lifeless shell - November 14, 2007

i think most of the things rasheed is saying is true

“Your Jihad is to resist your urges to do things that Allah Most High has prohibited.
Your Jihad is to stay patient through these temptations.
Your Jihad is to overcome these unwanted desires.
Your Jihad is to please Allah every day and draw closer to Him.
Your Jihad is to turn to Him, trust in Him and ask His help in life.”

in saying these words you remind me and rejuvenate my faith. however. i want to ask you. do you trully understand what we are going through. do you really understand what you are asking us to do.
how old are you, do you you mean to say that you can live till your very day without having sex!?
please try to understand my message. i am not attacking you. i think you dont understand the gravity of my feelings. my confusion is something i dont think you can grasp. i am a muslim first and foremost but im living my life in torture. wearing a fake smile and doing my dailly chores half heartedly. crying myself to sleep thinking wether allah with forgive those thoughts i have. i dont think you have any ideawhat im gong through. if you do plz tell becouse i dont understand either.

28. anonimous - November 14, 2007

“Your Jihad is to resist your urges to do things that Allah Most High has prohibited.
Your Jihad is to stay patient through these temptations.
Your Jihad is to overcome these unwanted desires.
Your Jihad is to please Allah every day and draw closer to Him.
Your Jihad is to turn to Him, trust in Him and ask His help in life.”

most of the things you are saying is true. im not attacking you. but i want to ask you if you really know how homosexual people feel. i dont think you have any idea what homosexual muslims have to go through.
i understand from what you are saying that we are not supposed to have sex? ok sex with the other gender is not prohibited when you get married. ok but you think its some thing were can do???
can you live your whole life without sex???
im not trying to be rude but this is also something natural to have sex with your partner. but if i only feel attraction to the same sex does that make me unnatural, i think god made me this way and i dont think i can handle this life. creating walls arround myself to give the impression that im a normal guy. calculating my every move so i wouldnt let something slip. crying myself to bed thinking if god forgives me for the thoughts that go in my head. the suggestion youve put there is what ive been trying to do all my life and im still doing that. but i feel that if i go on doing this that i will break in the end. so what do you suggest i do?????
im asking you cuz i dont have any answers? i know gay sex is forbidden and that is something i sure of. what im not sure of is my existence what does this mean. it means that im going crazy. what steps can i take for this i dont know anything anymore and im not sure of anything but two things. im a muslim first and foremost but i happen to be homosexual and living with this is eating me alive. pleaz reply.

29. wiki - February 5, 2008

ummm…

Parvez Sharma: jihad is getting acceptance of homosextuality in muslim countries.
This web site: jihad is not having sex for the rest of your life.

how can you ask someone to launch a jihad against sex? … it is impossible for any human being to live without sex. which leads me to side with Parvez Sharma. Sorry guys but he makes more sence then you guys. I mean would you be able to live without women?

i hope you accepted the invitation from Parvez Sharma and actually go see the movie … i think that was very nice of him to invite you like a civilized human being instad to calling you names or critizing.

30. Rasheed Eldin - February 5, 2008

Wiki, let me be frank and say that being misquoted or misrepresented irritates me a great deal, and while I try to discuss in details and with reason, someone who lazily misrepresents my position doesn’t seem reasonable to me, or worth the effort. But I’ll give you another chance…

No, we don’t insist that someone with SSA will not have sex for the rest of their lives! Sex is something that is permitted in marriage, so we say that the only route to it is marriage, which by definition (in Islam at least) is between a man and a woman. Not everyone with SSA will marry, and that is for various reasons: for example, not having any attraction to the opposite sex. But that doesn’t apply to everyone, and it’s also true that people can develop themselves and overcome the feelings that held them back, so they get married though they never imagined it before. Yes, it happens, and there are people like that in StraightWay, alhamdulillah.

So you misrepresented us by saying: “Jihad is not having sex for the rest of your life.” I can salvage this by turning it into: “Not having sex for the rest of your life (if it is done for the sake of God) is a form of jihad” – because jihad is struggle in the path of God, including the inner struggle of the soul, and against the temptations of Satan.

“Impossible for any human being to live without sex” – are you serious man?!? Of course it’s not impossible. Repeat it if you truly believe it and I’ll answer you seriously.

What Sharma is doing is certainly not jihad. Do you imagine that he will meet God on the Day of Judgement and receive the reward of a mujahid? No, not without repenting. I hope that Allah has mercy on him and all of us, but if He has mercy on Sharma, it will be despite these egregious sins, most definitely not because of them.

31. Rasheed Eldin - February 5, 2008

P.S. – About being civil, it’s funny that Sharma didn’t deem our post abusive enough to reproduce on his blog. When he links to here (as we linked to him), you can continue singing his praises for civility.

32. wiki - February 5, 2008

i am sorry about that … i should have written my analyzing process aswell… but i just assumed that for a gay man to have sex with a woman is like having sex with a “sex-toy” or something … u know wht i am trying to say? … it will not satisfy thier urges and thus living AS IF without sex.

it will be a bad marrage for the woman and the man … think of the woman who got to be this gay-man’s experiment…
this really disgusts me … wht did that woman do to deserve that marrage? … And now the only way out of the marrage is divorce … it might not do much to the man but woman’s life can be ruined by divorce … while that gay man if free to try his experiment in another marrage and pray on another woman …. *sigh* this is actually very sad.

-Yes i will say it again … you cannot live without sex … isnt that the reason why 2nd/3rd/4rth marrage is allowed in islam TO stop a man from committing adultry? and to give him a legal way to have sex? … dont u think it is strange that straght muslim gets 4 people that he can have sex with, while a gay-muslim gets only a sex toy?

– Sharma did something nice, which was to nicely invite you … which i think any muslim would have done…? right? and i complimented him on that… did i do something wrong? … he was like a guest on ur website and i think he sould have gotten a little more respect here =\ … then again that is just my opinion … sorry if it is different from yours —- we must learn to hate the SIN not the SINNER. : )

did you ever stop to think that his movie might have stopped many depressed gay-muslim kids from comitting suicide? and gave them hope to live? … Even lieing is allowed in islam when it is a matter of life and death.

33. Parvez Sharma - June 11, 2008

Rasheed:

Am visiting your blog after a very long time. Thanks for the continuing publicity for this incredibly powerful, honest and challenging film that has now been seen and applauded by thousands in 16 nations ; )

I am pleased to see that your ‘discussion’ thread continues to expand.

And just an important note- the film by no means- claims that Islam and homosexuality are compatible or even have an easy relationship.

It has also certainly generated disagreement and I only post comments that people send me on my blog at http://www.ajihadforlove.blogspot.com-so by all means do send me your thoughts and I shall post them.

As a good Muslim I invite you- a fellow Muslim, I assume- to please view the film which is now in theaters and is available at different venues throughout the world.

Your continuing discussion of this film is not useful if you have not seen it.

As our Prophet, sallalahu-alaihi-wassallam said-difference of opinion is a blessing in his Ummah. So may Allah swt bless your difference of opinion and your mission, which actually is not very clear to me.

But please watch the work-before rushing to judgment-also read or watch my interviews and how the message of this film is framed and perhaps talk to a few of our Muslim brothers and sisters who have seen this work.

So I invite you once again
a) to meet when possible, Inshaallah
b) to watch the film (I will even give you a complimentary ticket if we are in the same town)

I have no idea where you live, who you are or even if Rasheed is your real name.

And if possible do try and respect the years of hard work, courage, pain and struggle and global travel and research I undertook to finally present this film to the world.

Warmest regards,

Parvez

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