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In the name of Satan October 9, 2006

Posted by Rasheed Eldin in Homosexualists, Proggies.
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Still on their quest for a Queer Muslim Reformation, the makers of In the Name of Allah are inviting you to a club in San Francisco for “Cocktails, Hors d’oeuvres, 12-minute preview of the film, and Q&A with director Parvez Sharma and producer Sandi DuBowski (director of Trembling Before G-D) .”

In the name of Satan

Afdhere Jama urges Muslims to go along between 6-8pm: “I’m a personal friend of the director, and would really appreciate your support on this. And I thank you in advance for whatever you can do to support this good cause.”

Above is a screenshot from the venue’s website – there’s a wide variety of drinks to break your fast with. Maghrib that day in San Fran is 6.31pm, boys. I wonder if they have a prayer room at Supperclub..?

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1. Rasheed Eldin - October 9, 2006
2. peterson toscano - October 9, 2006

This looks like yet another intersection of the secular with the religious. I see the same thing happen at times with gay Christian groups. Seems they can’t decide how to integrate both the gay and Christian cultures, so they end up with shallow attempts at both.

Of course when reaching out to post-religious people or closeted religious queer folks, the event can’t seem too overtly religious if you actually hope they will show up.

It does raise the question for me about the the culture of Western gay identity as opposed to people who have same-sex attractions yet maintain a non-gay “lifestyle”. Perhaps there are many different types of gay lifestyles, but only version gets promoted.

3. Gay Muslim NYC - October 14, 2006

Well, its important to understand that just as some Muslims are queer, some Muslims also drink alcohol, even in traditional Muslim countries (gasp!). Lets not judge too quickly. Atleast they are doing this for a good cause!

4. Rasheed Eldin - October 14, 2006

That’s OK sir, we certainly “understand” – yes, it happens, but it is among the most major sins. I doubt that it is worse in the sight of Allah than homosexual acts, though. Is this abomination the “good cause” you’re talking about? Subhanallah.

5. Gay Muslim NYC - October 14, 2006

So what you are saying is that when you have a choice to drink alcohol or not, it is a minor sin, but when you dont have a choice to desire the same gender, then it is a major sin?
Subhanallah

6. Rasheed Eldin - October 14, 2006

No. What are you on about?

7. Yousef - October 18, 2006

Single mothers who strip to suppor their children are also “doing it for a good cause…”

8. Anonymous - October 18, 2006

A question, Rasheed. Why couldn’t someone go after Iftar? You make it sound like people were asked to go while they fast. People were asked to go between 6-8 p.m. It was designed that way so that people from all areas of the Bay Area can attend AFTER they break their fast, IF they are fasting. Because some of us in the Bay Area (who live in San Jose, for example,) it takes us 30-45 minutes to SF.

You must also take into consideration the fact that the event was not just for Muslims but for all supporters of Queer Muslims. And that not all Muslims observe Ramadan, regardless of their sexuality.

9. Gay Muslim NYC - October 20, 2006

Yousef,
I dont understand how a comparison between queer-muslims and stripper mothers is going to enlighten me? (even though both are oppressed groups and we should not stigmatize them)

10. Rasheed Eldin - October 22, 2006

Who are these “supporters of Queer Muslims”, and why have they no consideration for fasting in Ramadan? Have you ever wondered why they’re supporting you?

Can you see nothing odd about Muslims urging others to go to see a film in a bar, when they should be praying Maghrib and getting ready for Tarawih… or do they hold night prayers at the club too?

If Queer Muslims are even going to ignore fasting (“prescribed for you as those before you…” [2:183]), then how about dropping the pretence of there being any reconciliation between sin and religion? Leave the sin, enjoy the religion – better in this life and the next.

11. Sharaf Eldin - October 23, 2006

i can’t believe this conversation

being gay – does not get u out of islam – however – it is forbidden, and of the most great sins a man can do, besides, drinking alcohol and stripping ladies

each sin of these has its own life punishment (by sharia) (being gay to be thrown to death, drinking alcohol to be whipped 100 times, to strip is up to imam to decide to something less than 80 whips according to the judgement of the situation)

and what comes next is hereafter punishment, which varies according to Allah’s Mercifulness, Greatness, and Fairness. If He forgives, or punishes.

it is ok to address an issue like prayers and fasting of ramandan between any two muslims – but to share sins and sinful groups and try to make sins public this is a condemned act in islam (sins only harm these who do it when they are private, when it comes to public all the community gets punished) as per hadith of rasul Allah sAas (pbuH)

i condemn this groups’ gathering as it is to spread a sin, and it is better for each and every member to give up participating in such communities, and try to give up the sin, and ask God forgiveness, and not to go public

I just intend reformation, not seeking a payback, and Allah witness my words.

Salams

12. Rasheed Eldin - October 23, 2006

A quick note for visitors from the MPACUK forum:

There is a rumour in your thread about a “gay mosque” in America: that’s not true, thank God, even though there are various groups trying to push forward such an evil agenda (though I dare say having a mosque is not a necessity or priority for them).

Do please take a look through this blog to find out more.

For an answer to the question about whether “gay Muslims” are sinners or disbelievers, you can see this post:
https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/the-dangers-of-denial/

13. Yousef - October 23, 2006

Bro Sharaf Eldin, man, please have a read of the website carefully, I think you completely misunderstood it.

14. Rasheed Eldin - October 25, 2006

Yeah it may seem he’s a relation of mine, but he’s not! 🙂

15. Anonymous - October 25, 2006

Rasheed, I have already explained that the event was held after the sunset prayers. Anyone can pray night prayers in the comfort of their homes. And, please, do not make it sound as if Tarawih is Wagheb or required. It is something extra if someone wants to do it. However, you have no right to judge people.

These supporters (Muslim and non-Muslim) are supporting Gay and Lesbian Muslims because they are a community that needs support. One of the producers of the film is a Jewish gay man. A funder is a straight Muslim. And there is even straight women, both Muslim and non-Muslim.

Can you see nothing odd about Muslims urging others to go to see a film in a bar, when they should be praying Maghrib and getting ready for Tarawih… or do they hold night prayers at the club too?

Also, what is a “Gay Mosque”? There are mosques in the Bay Area where Gay and Lesbian Muslims are openly welcome. Likewise, there are mosques in Toronto with similar fashion. Muslims are Muslims, period. Please leave God to judge about what is “evil” and not. And, last but not least, please worry about yourself instead of writing lies about people who are absent.

16. Yousef - October 25, 2006

Anon…You see nothing wrong with showcasing a (supposedly) Muslim film in a bar…during Ramadan???
Anyone can pray anywhere they feel like it but if a congregation is being told that it’s alright for two men or two women or whatever to have sex with one another and it’s Islamically fine…that’s when they starting falling out from Islamic teachings.
As far as asking Bro Rasheed to “worry about himself”. Let me tell you something: I have posted a few comments on this blog and hopefully they have been helpful but there is one thing that I won’t do. If I know someone living the gay lifestyle to themselves I would never comment about them…however, if that someone starts preaching things that are against Islam and its teachings they better believe that there will be someone answering them, maybe this blog or somewhere else. Once people or groups venture into false preaching about Islam and its teachings they are fair game to be criticized (and in most cases it would be our duty to expose them).
Have a good one and Happy Eid.

17. Rasheed Eldin - October 25, 2006

Anon: man, you are blind. What lies? You’ve whined and tried to justify, but you haven’t shown a single lie on my part. And now you’re saying the event was after Maghrib? No, that’s not what you said before. Are you denying it was from 6-8pm? Are you saying it started at 7pm instead?

Tarawih isn’t wajib… I’m glad you’re so keen on distinctions in Islamic law. Maybe you’ll read up on homosexuality according to authentic scholars.

While so many horrible people attacking our religion right now, and trying to change it, it’s painful to see your naivety about “supporting the gay Muslim community”. WHY support THAT one, hmm? Take a look here:
https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/24/the-queer-muslim-reformation/

18. Anonymous - October 30, 2006

Rasheed, really there is no reason to discuss anything with you if you are talking about “authentic” scholars in Islam – Since there is no such thing.

Now, re-read what you have written, and see where maybe you have said things about people that is not true, things you could not have known, the accusations you have made. The event went from 8pm and beyond. People could go between 6-8. Food was not served until 6:30. “Look before you leap” comes to mind.

19. Anonymous - October 30, 2006

And I have also forgot to tell you, please don’t call me a man when you don’t know whether I’m a man or a woman. Second, there are supporters of Muslims in all communities. If people are attacking our religion, there are also those who are supporting us.

20. Taleb Haqq - October 30, 2006

Glad to see that Anon is not willing to tackle the issues but bicker about senseless things (btw usage of “man” in this context doesn’t imply that you are a “man” by any means…it’s a slang term, perhaps you are unfamiliar with the culture?) You said there is no need to discuss anything, yet you keep posting. As far as authenticity of scholars…I take that to mean that you consider yourself a scholar of Islam? Which field are you specialized in?

21. Rasheed Eldin - November 2, 2006

I don’t call you a man, “Anonymous” – I call you a mouse.

Anyway, here’s another bit of fun, this time from the St. Andrew’s University LGBT Society:

Mon 23rd October 2006
‘Islam and LGBT’ with Brian Whitaker

Brian will read from his book “Unspeakable Love”, which details the experiences of LGBT individuals who live under Islam, and discuss how Islam affects LGBT people. Wine will be provided. Following this there will be free wine, the opportunity to meet Brian and a chance to purchase “Unspeakable Love” and have your copy signed by the man himself!

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/%7Elgbtsoc/index5.htm

22. Anonymous - November 6, 2006

Someone is obsessed with wine. Look we make and drink wine in our Muslim countries. What makes you think we can’t in non-Muslim countries? “Unspeakable Love” is a great book.

23. Rasheed Eldin - November 6, 2006

It’s nothing to do with countries. You’re more of an idiot than I had you down for, Anony-mouse.

24. Anonymous - November 7, 2006

Don’t worry, I’m not bothered by people who stoop to personal attacks.

25. Rasheed Eldin - November 7, 2006

Well it seems you are bothered, so I apologise. Maybe you will apologise for calling me a liar – or perhaps you will back up your accusation?

26. Anonymous - November 7, 2006

Rasheed, I don’t know you so I cannot call you a liar. I said you wrote lies. It is a lie to say “In the Name of Allah” was made in “quest for a Queer Muslim Reformation.” What do you know about this film? It features many people of many voices including some who hold views similar to those in this blog. Unlike some of us, I’m sticking to what is actually written instead of the person’s personality.

27. Rasheed Eldin - November 7, 2006

It is not a lie. It is a claim based on evidence. I have provided a link to their own publicity, and you can question my interpretation at that thread:
https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/24/the-queer-muslim-reformation/

What do you make of their talk of Islam’s “flaws”, and how “Islam is at a tipping point”? What do they mean by saying that gays will “negotiate a new relationship to it” and “point the way for all Muslims…”?

It’s painful how naive you seem.

28. Anonymous - November 8, 2006

Rasheed, neither you nor I can speak for anyone’s version of Islam. If their Islam is flawed, and they want to negotiate a relationship, so be it. This film does not speak for all gay Muslims. I have seen parts of this film and it has many different voices.

I may be naive but I still call for accuracy. This blog can be a great tool for many people who are suffering and are trying to find a way to reconcile their faith and their sexuality. It is not going to help anybody if everything is negative and baseless.

29. Rasheed Eldin - November 8, 2006

I know very well that the film doesn’t speak for all “gay Muslims”. There are people who describe themselves that way, or whom others would describe that way, who feel represented by the views I express here, or that are expressed by the StraightWay Foundation.

What the film represents is the agenda of its makers, even if they include diverse voices. They are saying that Islam is flawed. Reformation is on their agenda. I can’t be anything but negative about that. Sometimes being negative is exactly what is required of us. There are plenty of other things in life to be positive about.

30. Anonymous - November 8, 2006

Rasheed, again if they are saying THEIR Islam is flawed why do you care? If your Islam is not flawed, you should not feel any defense. We are told in the Qur’an about “Lakoum Deenakum Wa Leyye Deen.” To each his own.

What I’m against is that you are putting a whole lot of people in a box. If you do know there are gay Muslims who are as diverse as you say, why jungle them all in a basket?

We can never have enough of positivity, love, compassion, etc.

31. Anon - November 8, 2006

Rasheed, so if you know the film does not speak for all gay Muslims why claim so?

And if the “makers” of the film say their Islam is flawed, why do you care?

Why don’t you concentrate on your own Islam and leave others to theirs?

32. Rasheed Eldin - April 13, 2007

When they said “But the real-life characters of In the Name of Allah aren’t willing to abandon a faith they cherish, despite its flaws.” – they weren’t talking about “my-islam-your-islam”. They are saying ISLAM HAS FLAWS. Otherwise, there is no question of abandoning. How can you possibly abandon something that is just your personal faith, with no external existence or definition? They are saying Islam – ISLAM is flawed. Na’udhu billah.

And why this crazy Anon person keeps putting words in my mouth I don’t know. Where did I make this supposed claim? By the way, this is not a personal attack on Crazy Anon, because by definition I can’t get personal against someone who is anonymous.

33. The Greater Jihad « Eye on Gay Muslims - September 15, 2007

[…] It’s Ramadan again. Last year promoters of a film called “In the Name of Allah” invited people to a cocktail iftar at a San Fran club to raise funds. I only hope they didn’t use hadiths about the Prophet […]

34. Samir - April 10, 2010

i jst got one thing to say…”allah guides whom he wishes and puts astray whom he wishes” and “We have put a curtain over their sights”. Look i know i am a bit late but rasheed u tried ur best. and like all the prophets said b4 that “I am not but a messanger”. And every single muslim is a messenger. And anon if u think that rasheed is fighting with u… he’s not. he jst feels sorry for u as u r his muslim brother. and we look out for one another. like the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has said “A muslim is the brother of another muslim.” brothers look out for each other. and also read this… http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/charac/easy/help.htm

35. Rasheed Eldin - April 10, 2010
36. Gary - August 17, 2011

Rasheed, you’re really not into the ‘thinking for yourself’ thing, are you?

Islam has flaws, unbelievable flaws, form poor science to sick, despicable ethics.

Moreover, it’s OKAY to criticize Islam. It’s okay to criticize ANYTHING. That’s the point of living in a free society: we don’t advocate mind control (another one of Islam’s disgusting ethics).

It’s okay to think for yourself, to say ‘maybe I should consider, WITH AN OPEN MIND, whether there is a good reason for believing in Islam. Then, no matter what you decide, be open to new arguments as they come in.

That is intellectual honesty. That is thinking for yourself.

Rasheed Eldin - August 17, 2011

Oh dear. That really was a substanceless diatribe wasn’t it? At least that’s what I think, for myself.


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